We hate hotels, especially if we’re traveling in other countries. Renting apartments (or houses) always get us way more bang for our buck. Plus, we get to live among the locals…not some Salesman from Cincinnati.
Apparently, super studly, best selling author, Tim Ferriss feels the same way. He recently bragged in his book The 4-Hour Workweek
Tim explained that these deals required more than a slack-jawed Google search. Yep, the boy actually negotiated. Relax, It’s easier than you think. Uncle Mikey is going to show you how to get a palace for peanuts.
STEP 1 – NEVER BOOK IN ADVANCE
Reserving an apartment on a web site may be easy, but it’s not going to get you the best deal. Instead, book a hotel for the first few days and visit several apartments. I know it sounds crazy to spend valuable vacation time looking at rentals, but think of it as sightseeing. Apartment hunting is a great way to see parts of the city tourists usually miss.
STEP 2 – THE LOCAL NEWSPAPER
Get a local newspaper. The classified ads are your new best friend. Unfortunately, rental ads are full of cryptic abbreviations. Deciphering them in another language/culture is not something we waste time on. Especially, when we’re lazy and surrounded by helpful hotel staff.
STEP 3 – USE YOUR HOTEL STAFF
We casually chat with several hotel employees. We tell them we’re looking for a rental and ask what areas they would recommend (or avoid). If we haven’t already found a newspaper, we ask where to get one. They usually produce one in seconds.
Next, we tell them about our specific requirements (a furnished 3 bedroom, etc) and ask if they wouldn’t mind circling some that look interesting. Once that’s done…we thank them profusely and ask them to call and make the appointments for us. A little appreciation goes a long way.
On the odd occasion that the hotel staff isn’t very helpful, we simply take a newspaper to a nearby cafe or park and ask some locals for help. It’s amazing what people will do for tourists in distress. Especially if you have a couple of cute kids in tow.
LAZY TIP: – THREE A DAY
Unless you are feeling really motivated, only see three apartments a day. This leaves time for other activities but ensures you’ll see at least see two if one falls through. Looking at six to nine rentals will surely get you a good place and some great experiences.
STEP 4 – SLOW DOWN AND DRINK
When you find a place you really like, SLOW DOWN. The more time you spend with the landlord the better your chances of getting what you want. Remember, It’s also common in many cultures to chit chat for awhile before and after doing business. When we find a great place, we often invite the landlord to go get some lunch/dinner or at least a coffee. Good deals can usually be worked out when the pace is more leisurely and a little good wine is flowing.
STEP 5 – THE POWER OF SHORT-TERM PAIN
If the asking price is $1,000 a month, the owner will not agree to $300 if it’s a year-long deal. However, if he/she fears it’s going to stand empty for awhile, getting $300 is more appealing than nothing. Plus, their short term pain is usually cancelled out by the instant cash gratification.
STEP 6 – BE FLEXIBLE
Tell the owner that you will keep the place neat and make it available to be shown to other prospective renters. Remember, the owner/agent wants top dollar as soon as possible. Help them and they will not begrudge you the deal you’re getting.
STEP 7 – BE DISCRETE
Repeat after me “If you will accept $300, I won’t tell anyone how generous you’ve been”. This magic phrase will let the owner know that you are not going to ruin their business by posting about your “deal” on TripAdvisor.com.
STEP 8 – FINDING LOCAL COLOR
At every appointment, make sure to ask the apartment owners about nearby markets, restaurants, parks and other attractions. These folks are full of wonderful gems that we would never find in guide books.
LAZY TIP – MAKE FRIENDS
Some of our best travel experiences have come from befriending a potential landlord. During a Q&A with a loft owner in Buenos Aires, she began telling us about her passion for Tango. When we reacted enthusiastically, she insisted we join her that night at a nearby Milonga (Tango Club). She even offered to have her housekeeper watch our kids.
We all had a terrific time and by the end of the night she was begging us to take the loft at any price. It turned out she lived next door and having people she liked was far more important than making a few extra bucks.
Over the next month, we thanked her for her generosity by taking her out to dinner several times. We always let her choose the place and in turn, experienced incredible meals and were treated like old friends by the restaurants.
BONUS TIP – BE A CONTRARIAN
We have the flexibility to travel during off-peak times. A lot of vacancies ups our chances of scoring a great deal. Another option is to follow the fear. If there is bird flu in Vietnam and Al-Qaeda bombings in Indonesia book the next flight. Unless you are touring poultry farms while wearing a Viva Bush t-shirt, you’ll be fine. Let the timid make room for us. We’re the few, the proud, the Family Hackers!
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Great insight. I’ve been renting apartments to great success on my vacation as well. I used craigslist, and also did some light comparison shopping in the local paper. Craigslist seems a bit higher priced, maybe for the ‘rich American tourist’ special pricing.
Here is an account of my recent experience. http://livingvacation.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/visiting-like-a-local-for-next-to-nothing/
@Peter – Thanks for the comment. Like you, I’ve also found Craigslist a bit higher in price. But, you do usually get the ads in English. Something worth paying for in some instances.
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Cool as. Particularly since I’m going to Buenos Aires in August. I’ve been looking online and KNEW (partly because I was born there) that there were better deals to be had. A bit nerve-racking to go without reservations, but I did that when I went to Vietnam and I survived to tell the tale.
Hi Vibey! I was in Buenos Aires last month, I really loved the city the people was so friendly. You may know, but I’ve rented an apartment with a friend, that was so much cheaper than hotels. We used a service called ForRent Argentina: Buenos Aires apartments For Rent. We stayed in Recoleta, near the down town. (really great neighborhood)
Well, cheers and Suerte
Billy
It doesn’t really matter, but I wonder where the Family Hackers are from and where they might stop at some day. Aside from that, it’s always nice to know as a local a might purposely be taken advantage of by cute visitors. Happy Trails……
I like your site. I have been travelling the world for years doing the exact same things as you. Now in my 60′s I look for easier and sometimes not always the cheapest accomodations.
I have been using VRBO for the past 6 or 7 years. What I do is pick out in advance the locations I would like and then show up to enquire about a rental. Chatting face to face with the owner is a real plus. While in Santorini with another couple we managed to get a two bedroom/pool/air/daily maid service for 500Euro for the month and the owner gave us a car to use. He starter at 2000Euro a month but as you suggest, chatting over some beers and offering to fix some PC problems he was having sure brought down the price. Point is , offering any skills you might have can be an asset when negotiating a deal.
We never consider ourselves to be tourists or on vacation. We are travellers who want to know locals and experience a country and its people and explaining this usually changes the perspective of a potential landlord. Another tip is to also keep in plain view a list of other places that you intend to visit as potential rentals. Don’t ever appear desperate.
Using VRBO as a shopping list is a great idea. Thanks for sharing your experience here.
What is VRBO? I love your tips! You have a loads of great knowledge and people skills.
Johnnie
VRBO is “Vaction Rentals by Owner”. They are at http://www.vrbo.com
Best,
Michael
Hi,
Your tips are the greatest.
Sally
I just looked up VRBO casually, in a variety of places I know (in Argentina, Mexico and Canada) and found the prices uniformly outrageously expensive. Not sure I see how the poster above can claim he’s had a good deal via VRBO.
The original advice is best: go there, stay in hotel, tip well someone on staff who looks competent in these matters, and take it from there.
Love getting access to all the new site to explore.
Ha! I suppose I am a contrarian. 2 years ago there was a bird flu “outbreak” in Istanbul (6 people out of 22 million). I booked the next flight. $300 round trip DC–>Istanbul. I saved more by finding free lodging at http://www.CouchSurfing.com
Great suggestions that I wish I had last year! It is amazing how much they wanted for an apartment in Kiev…by the way, we are a family who traveled around the world for a year as well with three kids. You might want to check out our book “A Brilliant Teacher” at Amazon or Sawtooth Press…
I’m a professional announcer but many times, I would like to travel but can’t afford to leave “the Job”. How do you make a living while traveling? Please, please clue us in.
Stumbled onto your site by accident…and I’m still here two hours later! Love it! Thanks for all your info.
Toni
Hi Toni,
As a voice actor you have a lot more flexibility than most people. Digital recording technology is getting so much better, cheaper and smaller every year that you should be able to find a set up that allows you to work from anywhere. There is also the option of booking some studio time in traditional recording studios around the world.
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Love, love, love, your tips Michael!!
Great advice! We use VRBO when vacationing and have yet to pay full price. If someone rejects my offer I move on… someone ALWAYS bites. Last vacation was beach front in FL in a spectacular home that had been featured on many TV shows. Won’t say where – not spilling the generosity beans but they wanted 6K a week… we got it for 2K. Didn’t happen at first but when I politely said we couldn’t pay the proposed compromise, the owner decided to go to my price after a couple more emails.
I use the same technique when hiring. If we really want someone but can’t afford them. I always offer them the job with the caveat. “We can’t afford you and I know you’re NOT going to accept, but I’d be crazy not to offer you the job because we’d be very lucky to have you”. A lot of them accept the job.
Best,
Michael
Hi Michael!
A friend sent me the tip about the drains, but it was by following the other links that I found your other treasures!
My husband and I plan to go to Haifa, Israel in Dec., 2010, for 11 days on Baha’i pilgrimage, and wondered if your tips would work there as well? I also wondered if there would be a specific site that would work the best for such an Asian vacation.
Thanks so much to anyone who can help.
Hi Katie,
Check out this website. It actually has travel agents you can work with to book your trips at no extra cost to you. Have a great trip!
http://www.ideservea.rovia.com
If you really like a place but the price is too high, or is jacked up when you arrive and they see you’re gringoes, you can say. “So, you MUST be paying taxes on this place.” It worked like a charm when we lived in Mexico as manyowners do not report rental earnings.
I agree, renting an apartment is far better than staying at a hotel. You can live like a local, of course you need to make sure that you will have a pleasant stay, otherwise it can be a nightmare.
Thanks for the tips!
Hi Michael,
you’ve got great experiences traveling with your family and it’s nice you share them with others. I’d love to travel with my family as well (2 adults and 5-year old), or live in another country for a while; therefore, would you recommend me some websites where to look for a job in a foreign country (or some American company that hires employees to work abroad)? My husband is a Building Official (can do a Project Manager) and speaks fluently English and Spanish. And about myself, I was raised in the Czech Rep., now living in California and would like to start some career that is wanted abroad. Would you have any advice to which major to pursue in a short-period of time (maybe associate degree or certificate from a community college=I don’t have much time to study)? I’d really appreciate your help.
Jana
Jana, how about teaching English as a foreign language abroad?
I have used VRBO twice domestically and both times I didn’t pay what they asked for. I asked the owners if they still had the $100.00 per night special and they came down $50.00 per night. I just made up the $100.00 special part and they offered me a better deal.
For a short-term stay in a once-seen-for-ten-minutes rental, there’s nothing wiser than handing over a non-refundable wad of cash to a self-interested landlord in a foreign country whose language you do not speak fluently and whose contract law you do not comprehend. The rental has noise and roaches at night? Sorry, Idiot Charlie, try complaining to the staff of the American-brand h0tel whose rate you did not want to pay!
Oh, and, there’s nothing sweeter than cheap creeps looking for a deal by feigning or playing up common interests and contriving false friendships!
Lastly, line up the morons who’d risk the latest fad, couch-surfing. During your theft, vandalism, molestation, and/or murder trial, I want to see you in a foreign court tell the judge, “Yes, I flew to a foreign country to stay on the couch of someone with whom I am familiar only via the Internet.”
THE ANECDOTAL SUCCESS STORIES ARE THE WORTHLESS CHATTER OF IRRESPONSIBLE IDIOTS.
How sad that you have such a depressing and pessimistic view on life. Having travelled for years around the world I have met many amazing people and had hundreds of great experiences and only a handful of bad ones. Maybe you’ve been sucked in by the world media which is owned by a handful of zealots and only enjoys spreading fear and suspicion.
I often find myself in countries that are on ‘no-go’ lists of foreign embassies which are no doubt compiled by people sitting behind desks all year round. Never have these places been threatening or dangerous to visit unless you go looking for trouble.
In my experience if you use a bit of common sense and are polite and genuine then locals will generally look after you and you will get great deals and make new and potentially lifelong friendships.
I’ve found great condo deals all around the world at http://www.ideservea.rovia.com under the Villas/Condo section. It’s much easier to just book a condo then attempting to negotiate once you arrive at your destination. A week’s rental can be as low at $399 for a week. I’ve never rented from a VRBO but it seems risky to me, especially when going into a foreign country. Happy Traveling!
i just checked that VRBO for for example berlin
and prices are 3 times higher than realistic
its incredible what insane prices around the globe americans can see cheap
great article! I work in a real estate company and I know what turist and travellers feel when they get dissapointed because what they rented is not what they wanted. I think that a supporting and reliable team is one of the most important things to look into when selecting a place to stay. If you are interested in looking for nice apartments in Buenos Aires you can check our website
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